John Gray: Let’s begin to explore these very deep questions and profound thoughts that have been put before us by Peter. Peter Thiel: Well, my facile answer is always the first thing you have to do to solve problems is to talk about them. I wouldn’t say there’s a fully intentional conspiracy, but the particular, narrow forms of technological progress that we’ve had in the last 50 years have made us oblivious to these things. You know, McKinsey was a real thing in 1985 in the United States. Social science, political science, climate science, even computer science.